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Help the Division 03 & Division 09 Divide

5/20/2020

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Contributed by Eric D. Lussier
Hi. 

It's Eric.

Yeah, it's been a while. I know.

I'm sorry. 

Please accept my apology? 

Thank you.

I could use your help.

As many in the AEC (Architecture/Engineering/Construction) industry face a return to some sort of office-life, normalcy or jobsites after COVID-19, I wanted to take this time to use your knowledge, experience and assistance in matters that are near and dear to my professional life, concrete and flooring finishes. 

Concrete moisture, surface planarity, adhesives, new products, lack of training and the skilled labor shortages are quite possibly just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what many of us deal with on a daily basis. 

I would VERY MUCH appreciate it if you could take just three minutes to answer three different questions as it pertains to concrete and flooring. The best part is you can remain completely anonymous if you wish. Don't feel like answering this Google Form? Then please email me at letsfixconstruction@gmail.com or send a video or text to me at 802-922-8407. 

I cannot thank you enough.  I'm excited to read your replies.
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5/21/2020 11:00:51 am

There is another Division 03 - Division 09 divide. The moisture released into the air by drying concrete can be detrimental to mineral fiber ceiling panels. Panel manufacturers advise against installing panels until concrete is 28 days old and humidity in a room has stabilized, If the job is rushed, mineral fiber panels can sag due to humidity.

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5/29/2020 07:46:04 am

Hi Michael -
Some MF ceilings can sag IF the RH in the space exceeds 70% but there are MF ceilings that are warranted not to sag in just short of standing water or RH99. Your concern is valid but my advice to the specifying community would be to look at recommendations by the manufacturer, their warranty and installation instructions to avoid issues for any finish material. Wood finishes specifically are very sensitive when it comes to RH which must be maintained between 25-55% in order to remain stable.

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5/29/2020 10:16:53 am

John - Unfortunately, manufacturers are sometimes less than forthcoming about product limitations. For example, I spent a half hour today on the website of a leading mineral fiber ceiling manufacturer looking for guidance about the relative humidity resistance of its products. The site made vague statements that some of their products have "Std" relative humidity resistance - possibly meaning "Standard" - but do not explain the statement. The site touts the company's premium product by saying it can be used in humid locations, but it does not caution against using its other products in humid locations. The warranty for the premium product is readily available, but not one for the standard product.

I know first hand that the company's products perform well in normal situations, but I also know they fail in humid conditions that can occur when installed above concrete that is still drying and the building has inadequate circulation.

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Division 09 Finishes is devoted to the basic interior building blocks of a construction project. From walls to paint and ceilings to floors, Division 09 includes the majority of common interior finishes. Interior finishes are described in a manner to provide information about their past usage, present usage, installation requirements and methods, and future advancements.

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